cassidy  03/29/08

sydney is definitely not helpless without other people!

The Counteragent  03/29/08

Um, Amber, did you actually watch Alias? Sydney kicked plenty of butt without the help of others. That said, exactly how is interdependence between fellow human beings a weakness? Any "hero" who doesn't register enough emotion to mourn the loss of a parent isn't worth looking up to in my book, nor would I consider it particularly cool to kill ones lovers. And Syd's posse owns--how could anyone say anything bad about Will, Francie, Dixon, or Marshall? At least they're real people.

The point of this throwdown though, isn't who had cooler friends and whether they depended on them--it's about who is the greater chosen one, and yes, that's Sydney hands down. I mean, forgive me if I don't see anything special about a chick who's only the latest in a long line of vampire slayers. It just seems kind of ordinary compared to the one who Rambaldi predicted (about 500 years before she was born):

"This woman here depicted will possess unseen marks, signs that she will be the one to bring forth my works: bind them with fury, a burning anger. Unless prevented, at vulgar cost, this woman will render the greatest power unto utter desolation. This woman, without pretense, will have had her effect, never having seen the beauty of my sky behind Mt. Subasio. Perhaps a single glance would have quelled her fire"

I mean, come on! Also, the only reason Buffy died and came back to life was because of a contract renewal, so it's really not a valid argument towards her being raw.

Amber477  03/29/08

Yes I did watch Alias, every season- even the bad ones. Care to give examples of things Sydney did without any help from anyone? I'm drawing a blank, but if you can think of one, I'm glad to listen.

I'm a little confused about your point about Syd being the greater chosen one- first of all, there was never any concrete proof that Syd was for sure the woman in the portrait. It could have been her mother or Nadia, especially since the little box said "IRINA" not "SYDNEY." Second of all, vampire slayer being "kind of ordinary" and "nothing special?" Read that again and see if it doesn't sound a little off to you. :)

And Buffy ended the series by saving the world and destroying the Hellmouth. What did Syd do at the end of the series? Walk off into the sunset with Vaughn and their babies? Lame.

Also, Buffy didn't just kill the men she loved for the hell of it- she did it to save other people. No way could Sydney have done that, if i.e. Vaughn ever grew a pair and turned evil. And of course Buffy mourned her mother's death- she just saw that she had to keep going and keep fighting. Sydney's parents both died and she barely batted an eye. How's that for "worth looking up to?"

But to get back to the point of the debate- Buffy is the greater chosen one because it was absolutely certain that she WAS the chosen one. Sydney never even knew for sure.

loglady  03/29/08

Technically Faith is the chosen one...

Buffy dies in season one, Kendra is called, thus being the chosen one. Kendra dies Faith is called she is then the chosen one...

Heck all the Slayerettes were chosen too, by the end of the show Buffy is just one of hundreds (not to mention in the comic she has 2 other versions of her!)

hmorsey  03/29/08

Sorry...but even Jennifer Garner said that Buffy would kick Sydney's ****...so I'm gonna have to go with Buffy on this one...I love sydney as well though

loglady  03/29/08

hmorsey--where did my girlfriend say that!?!? I'm a total behind the scenes geek and i've never seen that...was it an interview that i can read/see somewhere?

Amber477  03/29/08

Jennifer Garner said that Buffy's "supernatural powers" would beat her Sydney an interview with "Esquire" magazine.

loglady  03/29/08

thanks amber...totally missed that interview, was it an old one before i realized my true love for the garner?

just finished rewatching the musical for like the millionth time so nice last line!

Amber477  03/29/08

haha thanks! the interview with jen garner was in 2002, when my alias-love was in full swing.

let's go argue about something else! :)

loglady  03/29/08

yeah, just found the interview...perhaps we argue who wins, JG or martha stewart!

i didn't get into garner until a little late, got to see her around when ben was filming a movie, liked her as a person and then saw 13 going on 30...any woman who does the thriller dance like that wins my heart!

kate  03/29/08

Oh my goddess I love both of these chicas so much that it is hard to choose! That said I would have to agree with Amber477, Buffy has Sydney beat as the cooler "chosen one."

Sydney is amazing and has her awesome moments, but there are three major things that keep her from being the coolest "one." The first is that she was never able to step out of her parents' shadows. Their relationship or lack there of was always the driving force in her live and they were always much cooler and much better spys and/or villians than she was. The second major thing that works against Sydney, is Vaughn. I know some people loved him and all that but he was never cool enough for Sydney and she made numerous uncool choices because of him (and she could totally have kisked his **** and it wouldn't even have been a good fight). I also have to say I lost some faith in Syd's judgement after she chose Vaughn over Will. The last thing that keeps Sydney from being the coolest is the season she spent moping and crying and being the other woman while Vaughn was married. She gave him the awesome "I see what a collosal waste that would have been speech and then sat around and pined for him while he was married.

Okay, I know that several of these things could be said about Buffy as well. She did date Reilly for a while (shivers) and she did pine for Angel and have a significantly mopey phase, but I think that she had better reasons. I mean she got sad and self-destructive because she couldn't handle her own death, which is a bit harder to cope with than your boyfriend getting married. Her relationship angst involved a curse of almost greek tragedy proportions. I also have to say that Buffy's self destructive behavior was alot more fun to watch, I mean who can really argue with more naked Spike.

I know that I have been very hard Sydney, but I love her dearly. I just think that if it came down to a coolness contest, Buffy would eat Sydeny for lunch.

The Counteragent  03/30/08

Unless we're getting nitpicky about borrowing Amy Tippin's passport and credit card, Syd retrieved the Rambaldi device all by her lonesome. Or how about breaking out of prison in Bucharest, all her solo work in "The Box", surviving the whole Covenant ordeal, just to name a few. Plus she has an increasingly leadership role as the show goes on. Also, Sydney is most definitely the chosen one---and while the box said Irina, it just alludes to her importance as mother of the chosen one and the passenger. I mean, season 2, anyone? Irina herself states that Syd's the chosen one, not her---and that chick knows her Rambaldi.

I can't imagine Syd ever picking Will over Vaughn! I mean, time stopped the day they met! Will was too suffocating and desperate, and until Garner banged Affleck, she and Vartan had the best chemistry I've seen this side of Empire Strikes Back.

Also, how does being upset that the love of her life moved on to another woman while she's dealing with not knowing what happened to her make Sydney uncool? She's human; people have emotions, and that doesn't make them uncool or weak, it makes them interesting and sympathetic.

Sydney was a way better spy than Jack or Irina, and way more awesome than Buffy. Yes, I stand by a vampire slayer being ordinary--she's only one in a line of many, whereas Sydney has been reminded "No one can do what you do". (Aww yeah, "All the Time in the World"-suck on that!)

hmorsey  03/30/08

I just gotta say that I think both Buffy and Sydney are F'in awesome...I love both of the characters and both of the actresses...it was a really really hard decision for me, but ultimately I chose Buffy's side.

b.wall  03/31/08

i think its safe to assume that if a anything does a throwdown, comparing something directly to buffy and saying it was better, will lose. (except lost might give it a run for its money)

ABCSOAPS55  03/31/08

i think that the hailwell sisters on "Charmed" beat out both Buffy and Sydney... they had everything--killer clothes, great powers, and most of all each other...

Sydney was just an average spy and Buffy was way too self-involved to be interesting.