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hmorsey wins! hmorsey beat demetrithegreek 11 to 2.
Fox is the worst network when it comes to giving new shows a chance.
hmorsey said
I'll start my argument with a great Family Guy quote that most of you have probably heard:
Peter Griffin: [after "Family Guy" returns to Fox with new episodes, after a few years off the air] Everybody, I got bad news. We've been canceled.
Lois Griffin: Oh, no! Peter, how could they do that?
Peter Griffin: Well, unfortunately, Lois, there's just no more room on the schedule. We've just got to accept the fact that Fox has to make room for terrific shows, like "Dark Angel", "Titus", "Undeclared", "Action", "That '80s Show", "Wonder Falls", "Fastlane", "Andy Richter Controls the Universe", "Skin", "Girls Club", "Cracking Up", "The Pitts", "Firefly", "Get Real", "Freaky Links", "Wanda at Large", "Costello", "The Lone Gunmen", "A Minute with Stan Hooper", "Normal, Ohio", "Pasadena", "Harsh Realm", "Keen Eddie", "The Street", "American Embassy", "Cedric the Entertainer", "The Tick", "Louie", and "Greg the Bunny".
Lois Griffin: Is there no hope?
Peter Griffin: Well, I suppose if all those shows go down the tubes, we might have a shot.
And let me add Tru Calling, Point Pleasant, Reunion and Kitchen Confidential to the already expanding list.
demetrithegreek said
See, you just disproved your own argument. Tru Calling got what? Like a season and a half? Kitchen Confidential, Point Pleasant and Reunion each got 6 - 8 episode runs, which is a typical first order.
Now look at CBS. They gave Viva Laughlin just one episode. ABC gave Pepper Dennis three episodes. NBC gave The Book of David four. I'm not saying any of those shows were good enough to warrant more episodes. What I'm saying is that Fox, even though they have the most popular show on television (Idol) and TV's most popular drama not featuring the letters C,S, or I (House), they still are allowed to opperate like a secondary network. That usually means they stick with obvious failures a little longer.
hmorsey said
Tru Calling most definitely did not get a season and a half...it got renewed for a second season...and then cancelled before a single episode of season 2 aired...it was not given a chance. And six to eight episodes for a great show...not a chance at all...especially when you think about Firefly and how they aired all of the episodes out of order and then were surprised by the lack of great ratings right away? Fox has cancelled more great shows before even giving them a chance to gain an audience than any other channel I know of. And they just cancelled The Return of Jezebel James, a show I have on my DVR but havent even gotten a chance to watch yet after 3 episodes, only two nights on the channel. That is certainly not giving a show a chance. Which is why Im scared that the show I am most anticipating this fall, Dollhouse, is on this horrible network.
demetrithegreek said
Forfeited Turn
hmorsey said
Nothing to go against since the turn was forfeited so....Fox sucks...I'm sure most of you agree...
demetrithegreek said
Damn! I didn't mean to forfeit my turn. I had work to do yesterday!
Anyway, here's what I'll say about Fox. Take The Simpsons out of the equation. How long do most Fox shows run? Their most popular series get about six seasons. Now compare that to NBC, where Law & Order is in season 629. There are more openings on Fox, so more shows get a shot.
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scarsandstories8 03/29/08
6-8 episodes, when the show is as great as it is, is NOT a good run. CBS pretty much sucks, but not because of cancelling new shows.
I do see your point with Tru Calling since it wasn't technically new, but they did still suck for cancelling it.
huzzah 03/30/08
To see Fox's problem, you have to look at Family Guy's history. I love Family Guy, but I only saw 10-12 episodes *MAYBE* during its first run. Why didn't I watch it more often? I never knew when it was going to be on. It wasn't part of "Animation Sundays" or whatever the hell they call it now. It wasn't promoted worth a damn. Of course, I bought the DVDs the instant I saw them get released. And what happened? Fox saw the DVD sales, realized they shafted the show, and gave it another chance. How many "failed" shows would have garnered more viewers through better promotion and better time slots?
And regarding the shows in the above quote: Some *were* pretty good. I really enjoyed "Greg The Bunny", "Andy Richter Controls the Universe", and "Keen Eddie". I've enjoyed the reruns of "Firefly" on Sci-Fi. "Cracking Up" was funny. "Titus" was pretty amusing the few times I happened by, and pretty much everyone who has ever watched "Undeclared" considers it to be a potential classic that was never given a chance. Others, most notably the spin-offs "That 80s Show" and "The Lone Gunmen", I saw promos for and thought, "That's not a good idea." Some I saw promos for and said, "Now that's just terrible." I'm looking at you, "The Pitts."
So, what would have happened had they taken the money spent on the obviously crappy and put it toward promoting the shows with redeeming qualities? That is where I fault the network. That said, the viewing public is not without fault, either. Remember this was the explosion of "reality" programming, so any moderately pricey, scripted show had to potentially go up against a cheap game show or something that was all the rage.
t3hdow 03/30/08
Actually, Viva Laughlin showed two episodes before its cancellation. The first was on Thursday after CSI and then that Sunday at its regular time. I avoided the first episode out of the laughable description from what EW reported, but seeing it on Best Week Ever made me want to witness that travesty. CBS did the right thing by dropping it, but they should've done it sooner. How it even received a pilot episode is beyond me.
To be fair towards CBS, even though they've made some bad cancellation/advertising decisions before like most networks (Joan of Arcadia and now Jericho), and suffer from crime show overdose, they're nowhere near as bad as Fox. Firefly being played out of order? Head Cases nixed at two episodes, despite favorable reactions from viewers? Reunion, a mystery show that only needed ONE season to tell the entire story got cut at the halfway mark? I can go on. I could also lament Dark Angel, but at least it got two years.
loglady 03/31/08
undeclared was awesome! i really do miss that show....
ABCSOAPS55 03/31/08
i would say the networks are about even, although it seems like FOX pulls shows quicker, there are as many examples of time's they've showed patience and restraint with shows as there are times they pulled a show---exmaples of times they've let shows find themselves include, "Party Of Five" a show which started out with dismal ratings and eventually became a solid hit because Fox allowed the audience to find the show---also, recently "Bones' would qualify---this show on any other network would have been cancelled a season in but Fox has stuck with it and allowed the show to find it's audience and creative spark... Also, fox showed great restraint with "House" a show that in it's first year wasn't even ranking in the top 50 shows, but thanks to Fox's genuis idea to put it behind "Idol" has became a top 20 series and multiple emmy nominee.
I'll admit the sci-fi shows that FOX airs seem to get pulled quicker than some of their other series, but i think that has more to do with the limited audience shows like that draw in to begin with. The fact that "The X-Files" was a huge hit was a fluke, it just hit at the right time and had the right people attached to it--but they've yet to be able to recreate that success with a single other sci-fi show on FOX...
and other networks have tried---CBS gave Joan Of Arcadia a shot and it lost half it's audience in the second season, they tried again wit Jericho and it also lost half it's audience mid-way through it's first season, ABC hit big with lost but has so far struck out with shows like The Nine.
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